was interesting, carol simpson moderated the 1992 presidential debate, and that was when you saw bill clinton, george h.w. bush, ross perot, they were the candidates at the time, and she said the town hall style doesn't allow -- specifically she saiding for a female moderator to ask some of the tough questions because it really is just kind of passing the mike from person to person. what do you think of that, what her critique? >> i'm not sure what the -- actually i have carol's debate on a dvd in my office, and i was going from the most recent. i have seen charlie gibson, and -- this debate has -- once the table is kind of set by the town hall questioner, there is then time for me to say, hey, wait a second. what about x, y, z? you said this or you said that. you're sort of the -- they launch the discussion, and then the moderator furthers the discussions as you said this and now you say that. that kind of thing. we hope that kind of group effort can pin down both of these men on a variety of issues. >> and watching the last debate, candy, what do you take away with that in terms of how both